Gnomes - The hated midgets!

[Pub-O]

In most places halflings, alfs, hobbits or what you wanna call them, seems to be loved, but gnomes seems to be quite hated in WoW.

Im wondering a bit why?

Is it because their look? Their limited warcraft lore?

what? how? why?

are they to small? do they sound annoying?

why does everyone hate these little fellows?

and how do you see the gnomes? as the ignorant little hobbits like in lord of the rings, or as just does crazy engineer midgets?

do they fit in WoW?

I heard some people complain about them being able to be warriors, because of their size...!

How do you feel on the topic: gnome!?

[TykeMörbult]

BECAUSE THEY STEAL YOUR FRIKKIN 'UNDIES!!!!!!! :rant: :rant: :rant:

[FrozenYak]

well personally im plannin on being a gnome, but i understand why some people dont like them lol

i mean, comon, a gnome fighter? While they could make a good evasion based class, even then, one hit from a tauren warhammer and they'd be planted :)

[Wompo]

Is it because their look? Their limited warcraft lore?I guess it's a bit of both.I heard some people complain about them being able to be warriors, because of their size...!I agree with that, it seems rather odd for them to be able to be the tanks of a party. :)

I'm not an actual Gnome Hater™, but I can't say that I really like them either. I'll gladly form parties with them and such, I'm not a WoW racist. :D

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

Having debated with countless "intelligent" folks over the last year, they are usually broken into 3 camps:

1) GnoMeZ R TeH ShoRt!11!!1 Dey SuX!!111!!

2) GNomIeZ R GooFy N TeH StooPid!!11eleventyone!11!!

3) GnoMeZ R 2 weeek cuz dey r smallz... so dey can't fite!

That pretty much sums up the arguements I've seen. All three are sad, pointless, and horribly uninformed. Once in awhile you'll get a gnome bash from someone who actually has more intelligence than a dead roadkilled wombat that has been sitting in the road for over a week. Those however are unfortunately few and far between.

Gnomes are the greatest and most powerful race in Warcraft history and soon we shall subjegate all others races under our... albiet small... iron fisted rule. And yes, we steal your undies.

*YOINK!*

[Blackmoon]

It's just so unfair!!! I mean, gnomes with little to do with warcraft lore get to be a playable race, but not goblins? It's just not fair!!! :rant:

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

It's just so unfair!!! I mean, gnomes with little to do with warcraft lore get to be a playable race, but not goblins? It's just not fair!!! :rant:

1) Goblins were brought into Warcraft during Warcraft 2, the same time as the Gnomes in fact.

2) Tauren, the Forsaken, and the Night Elves didn't even exist until Warcraft 3. The Night Elves argueably have gotten more "lore" behind them since Warcraft 3, but the Tauren? The Forsaken?

[Masamunae]

You will find that certain personality types are drawn to certain class/race combinations. This isn't a hard fact, but a general rule. In my 5 years of EQ, I have never met a gnome caster that I liked. Some were passable, the rest were complete pricks. The same goes for Paladins in EQ. I had like 2 paladin friends, who quit their paladins and started other toons, but all the other paladins were either tards that couldn't play their class right, or downright arseholes.

So right off, gnomes (at least for me) are on the "kill first, kill again, maybe ask questions later" list. On top of that, they really don't belong in the game as other races would have been better suited. And how ganomes got in game and nor goblins I still don't understand :P

[Arioch]

I don't have any problem with Gnomes, but it is a bit ridiculous that they can be warriors.

[AgeOfAbnegation]

THe funniest things about gnomes are their voices, and also the fact that they're always "shaking", even when standing still lol :p. It's almost unnerving really. The funniest thing would be to see an all-gnome raid of over 40 people or so. Makes me think of the mummy returns, with all those scarab beetles swarming etc..

[OneMadOgre]

Ogres.... oh my poor sad Ogres.... :)

I would admit to being a pioneer of Gnome-punting on these sites. Back when the forums first opened, there was a fellow named Spazmo who championed having Gnomes as a playable race. I found that thought rather distasteful since my beloved Ogres were not added. So I started making up stories about Ogre culture in relationship to it's use of Gnomes as mine detection devices (throw them and see if they blow up on a mine), sporting events (Gnome punting invented here.) and various entertainment ideals (Whack a Gnome). Later on I devised the Ogre mount to be four gnomes in hamster balls for wheels on an Ogre car.

So in terms of Gnome-punting run amuck here, well, I have to take at least partial blame (credit?) for that. As to hating them? Nah. Just like giving those little buggers a hard time is all. :)

[Khal'jur]

The only reason I don't especially like gnomes is because they seem so limited to really little weapons...seeing as they are really small, and it wouldn't be to cool to have you're best weapon be this dinky axe or sword.

[Khal'jur]

I don't have any problem with Gnomes, but it is a bit ridiculous that they can be warriors.

Heh, I've seen some arguments about this. Personally, I don't think any race shouldn't be able to take up arms and fight ( what a warrior does ) .

[MegaLing]

My biggest problem with Gnomes:

Why the hell are they allowed to be Warriors? WHY ?????

[Ulkieab]

I love the gnomes! In fact I have a lvl 30 Gnome Warlock on the PvP server. And she is the darnest little thing in the whole entire world. And I wish I could look like her! I'm probably drawn to the gnomes because I am short just like they are. Also drawn to cute things. Though the Tauren aren't really cute and I'm also playing a Tauren in beta... but I think my Tauren is cute so hah!

[Wompo]

Heh, I've seen some arguments about this. Personally, I don't think any race shouldn't be able to take up arms and fight ( what a warrior does ) .But they could still be Rogues. I think an agile and stealthy Rogue makes a much more believable Gnome "basic soldier" than the Warrior.

[GreenArmadillo]

I've heard that their small size makes it a pain in the tail to click on them in order to target them for stuff. Not a problem for members of your own party but a problem if you're PVPing one or trying to heal someone else in your raid group.

[Bhs Crew]

My biggest problem with Gnomes:

Why the hell are they allowed to be Warriors? WHY ?????
If short people are attacked do they still fight? I fail how to see being small prevents one from putting on armor (small armor, but still armor) picking up a sword and trying to kill stuff.

Many of the things Gnomes spend time fighting aren't much bigger than they are (like troggs for example) so it would make sense that the Gnomes would have warriors to fight them.

[Tevush Kasht]

I have played in many tabletop RPG's over the years and all my GM's banned gnomes from the start. In my own campaign, I had them hunted down and eradicated in the course of the campaign by an evil emperor who harvested them as food for his orc minions. It was especially pleasing since one of my players insisted on playing a Gnome.

[Bhs Crew]

You will find that certain personality types are drawn to certain class/race combinations. This isn't a hard fact, but a general rule. In my 5 years of EQ, I have never met a gnome caster that I liked. Some were passable, the rest were complete pricks. The same goes for Paladins in EQ. I had like 2 paladin friends, who quit their paladins and started other toons, but all the other paladins were either tards that couldn't play their class right, or downright arseholes.

So right off, gnomes (at least for me) are on the "kill first, kill again, maybe ask questions later" list. On top of that, they really don't belong in the game as other races would have been better suited. And how ganomes got in game and nor goblins I still don't understand :P
1) World of Warcraft is not Everquest and the comparisons do not work as such.
2) Gnomes were allied with the Alliance whereas Goblins have always been on the side of the horde when they took a side at all. Blizzard needed another Alliance race so they picked Gnomes over Goblins. Easy as that.
3) Don't make a mass judgement against all Gnome spellcasters because you met some you didn't like. No reason to judge all of us based on some experiences you had with some people in an entirely different game.

[Bhs Crew]

I have played in many tabletop RPG's over the years and all my GM's banned gnomes from the start. In my own campaign, I had them hunted down and eradicated in the course of the campaign by an evil emperor who harvested them as food for his orc minions. It was especially pleasing since one of my players insisted on playing a Gnome.
Well at least we know where you stand. If you could let me know who you are so I don't make the wrong move and get lynched by you and your fellow racists that would be great

[WiglyWorm]

And how ganomes got in game and nor goblins I still don't understand :P


Goblins are neutral in WC3. Simple.

Gnome hating is not WoW exclusive. Let's just make that clear.

For me, gnomes cross a certain line. Apparently some people, Ulkieab, for instance (you don't mind me using you as an example, do you?) find gnomes to be "cute" possibley "adorable" and even "endearing". Well, if someone was trying to make these little buggers "cute", and if they did put "endearing" features into them, they went overboard. If they are, in fact, there.. they're there in such numbers that it makes my head spin and i can't identify a single one. As i can't identify a single one, then my brain registers none, wich must make them repulsive.

I suppose some people, specifically those who loved My Little Pony, can still recite every Care Bear by name, or at least knows the proper line up for the "care bear stare".. people who have their room painted innocuos colors such as pink, or have rainbow stickers on their car (not the *** pride rainbow stripes, actuall rainbows), people who have flooded their "cute" sensors to the point of overload.. these people, ones who need all this cuteness for it to even register at all.. these are the ones who like gnomes.

Personally, the only way I like gnomes is with extra honey mustard sauce.

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

I don't have any problem with Gnomes, but it is a bit ridiculous that they can be warriors.

My biggest problem with Gnomes:

Why the hell are they allowed to be Warriors? WHY ?????

The only reason I don't especially like gnomes is because they seem so limited to really little weapons...seeing as they are really small, and it wouldn't be to cool to have you're best weapon be this dinky axe or sword.

There are many ways to approach this arguement that are really very simple.

1) Common sense: It doesn't take a whole lot of strength to simply put on some protective equipment, grab a weapon, and start swinging.

2) Realistic muscle mass/Size: Height makes no difference. Muscle is built based solely on use and how much it can expand to. While a person half my heigh on average would not be stronger than me, the actual strength difference is so miniscule that it would hardly be noticed. Him having less strength than I do does not mean he can't pick up and swing a ten pound iron bar like I can.

Don't believe me? Go start a fight with a midget, see what happens. Tell me his hits don't hurt.

3) Extra advantage: Being smaller would make a person harder to hit quite simply. Warriors main role being a tank, what keeps a warrior alive longer? Taking less damage or getting hit less. The answer is getting hit less.

4) Real life physics: While gnomes cannot reach the muscle mass of a Tauren, one thing everyone overlooks is speed. Larger people on average can not swing(throw a punch) as fast as a smaller person has the potential to. How do you determine strength in physics? Force x speed = power. From this it is quite clear that a gnome who has half the muscle power of a tauren, yet is twice as fast, hits just as hard as that Tauren.

So, I hope no one here is of the "bigger is better" mentality, because honestly science proves you wrong. You think you could actually beat a midget in real life just because your stronger than him? You're in for a big let down.

[BluBoy1982]

I like gnomes personally and I have no beef with them being warriors. The same argument could be taken to Dwarfs if they weren't already so warrior bound. They are both short *shrugs*.

p.s. maybe its because the paladins and warriors feel "uncomfortable" with someone shorter then them "showing" them up lol. who knows *shrugs*.

Go Gnomes!

[cmsciulli]

I like gnomes. . . they are cute, can engineer, and can pack a mean punch as a warrior class. Of course I'm a bit biased as my dear b/f is playing a gnome. Yes, I know a Nelf and a gnome make an odd couple :-P

And by the way, this is a fantasy game. . . therefore we have such things as magic, elves, and trolls running about and therefore gnomes can be warriors. Logic does not work in the fantasy genre.

[Kitoushi]

Gnomes, one of my favorite race in WoW and I'm definetly going to play as a Gnome Warrior (a girl with a blond hair <3)

Small, Cute, Rare, and just look so hilarious with a 2x their size big weapons in their hands.

[AgeOfAbnegation]

lol.. I saw a female gnome warrior yesterday wielding an epic axe. It looked like a small can-opener lol :p

[Apollo]

I'm probably drawn to the gnomes because I am short just like they are.

Bingo. I've always preferred smaller races over taller ones because I can relate to them since I have always been fairly small (apparently cute once aswell).

As for the "I don't like Gnomes because they are hard to click on and they have stupid tiny toothpick weapons" argument, well you would feel equally annoyed if the Horde got Gnomes wouldn't you? Yet nobody argues that Goblins shouldn't be aded to the game in an expansion with this reasoning.

[Tevush Kasht]

I'll probably play a troll or something. I hear they are the best at cooking Gnomes. I wonder if at some point they put Gnome-stew in the game.
Gnomes are like smurfs, except, not really. I just don't like smurfs either.
Doesn't mean I'll betray my teammates if they're Gnomes or anything, I just won't ever play one myself.

[Jalimar]

I like Gnomes too. In fact I have a Gnome Warlock alt already planned. I really don't think much of arguments such as "a certain race attracts a certain kind of people": I read the same stuff about Elves more than once, and it's just crass generalization. I tend to judge people individually, and certainly not according to their race, in a MMORPG as in real life.

[Chaosas]

Gnome warriors are just unrealistic. I have no problems with gnomes being caster class or rogues though.

I don't mind gnomes but I'm always worried about tripping over one lol :lol:

[impationtly waighting]

I liked the gnomes in EQ which i played for about a year and a half... however i do not like WoW's gnomes because thier looks. It is not that being small looks bad to me it is how unrealistic their faces look. I understand that "look" of WoW (the colors, sizes, ect.) is meant to be exadurated, but the gnomes just look rediculous.

[Wompo]

If short people are attacked do they still fight? I fail how to see being small prevents one from putting on armor (small armor, but still armor) picking up a sword and trying to kill stuff.

Many of the things Gnomes spend time fighting aren't much bigger than they are (like troggs for example) so it would make sense that the Gnomes would have warriors to fight them.Again, the Rogue class in my opinion resembles a typical Gnome soldier much better than the Warrior class. Maybe they would not all be that stealthy, but they probably wouldn't wear very heavy armor and neither would use large and heavy weapons. The small size also makes them more suitable for the Rogue style combat.

[Jalimar]

Gnome warriors are just unrealistic.

I am sorry, but the concept of realism in a fantasy game escapes me.

[Vanguard]

1) Goblins were brought into Warcraft during Warcraft 2, the same time as the Gnomes in fact.

2) Tauren, the Forsaken, and the Night Elves didn't even exist until Warcraft 3. The Night Elves argueably have gotten more "lore" behind them since Warcraft 3, but the Tauren? The Forsaken?

The forsaken dont have a history, they were formed during the frozen throne campaigns, right near the end.
All I know about Tauren is that they fight centaurs a lot and like to eat Kodos.
Also, they are bulls, NOT cows, since cows dont have horns.

[Chaosas]

Well, gravity still works there, right? How can a tiny gnome hold a weapon that weighs same as he does/ :scratch:

[Dalamar The Dark]

Well, gravity still works there, right? How can a tiny gnome hold a weapon that weighs same as he does/ :scratch:

cant you carry your own weight in real life? :scratch:

[Cursive]

"I don't mind the Gnomes, but I'm always worried about tripping over one."

Werd.

[Jalimar]

Well, gravity still works there, right?

Er, does it? In a world where fat dragons fly around and gryphons carrying big Orcs on their backs? What about Levitation spells?
Anyway, my point is that arguing about the unrealism of a Gnome carrying big weapons in a world where bulls can talk and cast spells, and rotting cadavers walk around and dance the Lambada is kinda funny. :scratch:

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Those big heads. They make up almost half their entire bodies. Creepy. That's the stuff of nightmares :cheesy:

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[lethialle]

Wow, gnomes are too small they should be stepped on; gnome warriors doesn't make sense...

If you guys want to bring realism into the mix...

Okay I suppose it make more sense to have:

UD warrior, because I am sure w/o much connective tissue and all their muscle cells dead and decaying that they will be able to wear any armor and any weapon with no problem. :scratch:

Orc warlock, or Troll mages: They make perfect sense even though they can't really chant the incantations cohesively. Or hold on to a thought for longer then 15 sec before starting thinking about food :innocent:

Tauren anything: I am sure that they can hold weapons perfectly with their hooves... :scratch:

Come on guys stop the hate with Gnomes, it is tough enough to be the short guys/gals in a big world already :)

[Jalimar]

Come on guys stop the hate with Gnomes, it is tough enough to be the short guys/gals in a big world already :)

Exactly. :clap:

[BluBoy1982]

Come on guys stop the hate with Gnomes, it is tough enough to be the short guys/gals in a big world already :)

LOL I so agree :uhhuh:

[lethialle]

Oh btw, I want to say that thank you guys for being civil!

Really a thread like this would have gotten so much flames on both the Bnet or the beta forums by now... Sigh when is blizz gonna catch on and realize that there are reasonable people out there... :grrr:

[Semidi]

I love to hate gnomes, and I think most people also do. I also think the gnomes like to get hated on. psst not midgets they're little people or some bs like that. (always remove your undies before entering a gnome thread so they get something more than they asked for when trying to get undies)

[MegaLing]

There are many ways to approach this arguement that are really very simple.

1) Common sense: It doesn't take a whole lot of strength to simply put on some protective equipment, grab a weapon, and start swinging.

2) Realistic muscle mass/Size: Height makes no difference. Muscle is built based solely on use and how much it can expand to. While a person half my heigh on average would not be stronger than me, the actual strength difference is so miniscule that it would hardly be noticed. Him having less strength than I do does not mean he can't pick up and swing a ten pound iron bar like I can.

Don't believe me? Go start a fight with a midget, see what happens. Tell me his hits don't hurt.

3) Extra advantage: Being smaller would make a person harder to hit quite simply. Warriors main role being a tank, what keeps a warrior alive longer? Taking less damage or getting hit less. The answer is getting hit less.

4) Real life physics: While gnomes cannot reach the muscle mass of a Tauren, one thing everyone overlooks is speed. Larger people on average can not swing(throw a punch) as fast as a smaller person has the potential to. How do you determine strength in physics? Force x speed = power. From this it is quite clear that a gnome who has half the muscle power of a tauren, yet is twice as fast, hits just as hard as that Tauren.

So, I hope no one here is of the "bigger is better" mentality, because honestly science proves you wrong. You think you could actually beat a midget in real life just because your stronger than him? You're in for a big let down.


1) Common sense: Midgets can't wield 7 feet long Polearms effectively.

2) Sure, when it's a 5-7 guy aganist a 7 footer, it doesnt really matter. However, when it comes to gnomes...their physical capability just doesnt stack up. I can freakin kick one to Jupiter if I wanted, while they definitely cannot do that to me.

3) Wrong. Being smaller means people wont target you. Therefore, your potential to tank is greatly reduced since people are IGNORING YOU.

4) Yes, however if that fast swing misses = gg you just fell off a cliff.

[Pietoro]

All I know about Tauren is that they fight centaurs a lot and like to eat Kodos.
Also, they are bulls, NOT cows, since cows dont have horns.

Um, Taurens *do* have females. Cows = female. <_<

Anyway, they aren't even bulls/cows. They're MINOTAURS.

[Cursive]

Um, Taurens *do* have females. Cows = female. <_<

Anyway, they aren't even bulls/cows. They're MINOTAURS.
Not entirely. They don't have human hands so they really can't be.

[Flame of the moonlight]

I dont mind gnomes.. i'm just worried about tripping over them...

Thats why i walk so slow.... :creep:

[Khal'jur]

Wow, gnomes are too small they should be stepped on; gnome warriors doesn't make sense...

If you guys want to bring realism into the mix...

Okay I suppose it make more sense to have:

UD warrior, because I am sure w/o much connective tissue and all their muscle cells dead and decaying that they will be able to wear any armor and any weapon with no problem. :scratch:

Orc warlock, or Troll mages: They make perfect sense even though they can't really chant the incantations cohesively. Or hold on to a thought for longer then 15 sec before starting thinking about food :innocent:

Tauren anything: I am sure that they can hold weapons perfectly with their hooves... :scratch:

Come on guys stop the hate with Gnomes, it is tough enough to be the short guys/gals in a big world already :)


Pfft. For the Horde!!

[Jalimar]

Could anybody please explain to me where exactly the "Gnomes stealing underwear" myth started and why? What next, Orcs getting high by sniffing their own socks? This game is getting weirder and weirder. :flip:

[Kitoushi]

One of the things which made me to choose a gnome warrior was that they look so funny with a helm on, check it out :)
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/paessi/redgnome.jpg
ain't that just cute?

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Could anybody please explain to me where exactly the "Gnomes stealing underwear" myth started and why? What next, Orcs getting high by sniffing their own socks? This game is getting weirder and weirder. :flip:
South Park.

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[Chaosas]

>4) Real life physics: While gnomes cannot reach the muscle mass of a Tauren, one thing everyone overlooks is speed. Larger people on average can not swing(throw a punch) as fast as a smaller person has the potential to. How do you determine strength in physics? Force x speed = power. From this it is quite clear that a gnome who has half the muscle power of a tauren, yet is twice as fast, hits just as hard as that Tauren.

Actually gnomes have like 10 times less muscle power.. I mean, just look at them...

And their look is really strange, so... out of proportion.

But whatever there has been lots of such threads already so let's just say we all love gnomes and go on :flip:

BTW I saw interesting idea in one guild's topic: a Gnome Killing Day :idea: I thought about making it more popular... On 13th day of every month everybody celebrates Kill A Gnome day by going into gnome are and killing as much gnomes as possible and of course kill any gnome in sight in other areas HAHAHAHA :lol:

[Cursive]

One of the things which made me to choose a gnome warrior was that they look so funny with a helm on, check it out :)
http://personal.inet.fi/koti/paessi/redgnome.jpg
ain't that just cute?
Sweet Jazzus! That mana is out of control! And the holy resistance(or arcane?) is off the wall! Michael Jackson style.

[Jalimar]

South Park.

I see. Need to watch those reruns on Italian tv and try to catch up, some day.
Oh my Gawd! They killed Grom! :surprise:

[lethialle]

Umm I don't about the other soon to be Gnome players, but I don't think I will ever even think about taking the undies of anyone (except maybe from female Gnomes, female human, or NE females... ;) )

Now that I think about it, I think I know why Gnomes are hated so much. It is because the guys are just jealous that Gnomes are adored by girls. And Gnomes have better chance of getting close to a hot female then any of the other races in WoW :) Come on admit it, you guys are just jealous :spy:

[Jalimar]

And their look is really strange, so... out of proportion.


Not to insist, but did you get a look at Humans' arms? They are bigger than their heads. It's called stylized artwork, at Blizzard.
Seriously, leave the poor Gnomes alone, people.

[Jalimar]

Guys are just jealous that Gnomes are adored by girls.

Of course. :thumbsup:
And we all know what they say about short guys, anyway.

[Wompo]

And we all know what they say about short guys, anyway.Yeah, what a mean thing to say. :(











:D

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Don't kid yourself. They only seem big because the rest of the body is so small.

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[Jalimar]

Don't kid yourself. They only seem big because the rest of the body is so small.


Hmm. Now I know why Tauren guys look pissed off. :lol:

[BluBoy1982]

Hmm. Now I know why Tauren guys look pissed off. :lol:

:lol: ROFLM*O :lol:

[lethialle]

Hmm. Now I know why Tauren guys look pissed off. :lol:
Not to mention the thick layer of hair that covers their whole body :innocent:

[Chaosas]

Not to insist, but did you get a look at Humans' arms? They are bigger than their heads. It's called stylized artwork, at Blizzard.
Seriously, leave the poor Gnomes alone, people.
Good point there. But it just looks unbelievable that such tiny body and hands could swing a huge axe :lol:

Don't forget Gnome Killing Day though.

[Cursive]

Animal genetalia is probably not the best thing to be thinking about right before you go to supper. :lol:

[Arioch]

I realize this is a silly topic, but that doesn't mean we can't argue about it. :D

1) Common sense: It doesn't take a whole lot of strength to simply put on some protective equipment, grab a weapon, and start swinging. Sure, so let them be Rogues or Hunters or some other second-tier fighting class. Having a three foot tall front-line tank fighter who is just as tough as a seven-foot Tauren is pretty silly.

It would have been nice if they'd created a special caste, like "engineer", for the gnomes. Cause right now they're just extra-short Dwarves.

2) Realistic muscle mass/Size: Height makes no difference. Muscle is built based solely on use and how much it can expand to. While a person half my heigh on average would not be stronger than me, the actual strength difference is so miniscule that it would hardly be noticed. Him having less strength than I do does not mean he can't pick up and swing a ten pound iron bar like I can. Don't believe me? Go start a fight with a midget, see what happens. Tell me his hits don't hurt. Sorry, but this is dead wrong. Physical size and mass is a HUGE advantage in hand-to-hand combat, not only because of strength but also mass and arm reach. And we're not talking the difference of a few inches here... gnomes are friggin' tiny, much smaller than your average midget, like one-fifth or less of the body weight of the hulky Human male avatar.

It's true that an armed child or midget could do some damage, but they'd have a very difficult time against someone three to five times their size, with two or three times the weapon reach. Now granted, this is a fantasy genre where players are sometimes fighting great giants... but you brought it up. :)

3) Extra advantage: Being smaller would make a person harder to hit quite simply. Warriors main role being a tank, what keeps a warrior alive longer? Taking less damage or getting hit less. The answer is getting hit less.
4) Real life physics: While gnomes cannot reach the muscle mass of a Tauren, one thing everyone overlooks is speed. Larger people on average can not swing(throw a punch) as fast as a smaller person has the potential to. How do you determine strength in physics? Force x speed = power. From this it is quite clear that a gnome who has half the muscle power of a tauren, yet is twice as fast, hits just as hard as that Tauren. Sounds more like Rogue abilities than Warrior ones. However, it is a myth than smaller people are faster than big people... having longer legs makes you faster. Midgets (and children) are much slower than full-sized adults. What they might have an advantage in is quickness, but that's not the same thing.

So, I hope no one here is of the "bigger is better" mentality, because honestly science proves you wrong. You think you could actually beat a midget in real life just because your stronger than him? You're in for a big let down. Have you been beat up by a gang of angry midgets recently? :D I don't know the last time you got in a fistfight (I'm guessing never), but yes, in hand-to-hand combat, bigger IS better. And yes, I could beat a midget, because I'm bigger and heavier and stronger than him. And faster. And have better reach.

[Squarebob Spongepants]

What if it's a ninja midget? Ninjas have real ultimate power, you know.

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[The SilverDeath]

gnome females are cute, short and just the right height

[Ulkieab]

gnome females are cute, short and just the right height

Just like me. :lol:

[Arioch]

What if it's a ninja midget? Ninjas have real ultimate power, you know. See, now if they had gnomes as a Ninja class, I wouldn't complain. :D

Aside: the female gnomes are pretty cute. But the males... man they look weird.

[The SilverDeath]

Just like me. :lol:

asl? :lol:

[Squarebob Spongepants]

Yeah, you don't want to mess with ninjas. (http://www.realultimatepower.net/) No way.

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[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

1) Common sense: Midgets can't wield 7 feet long Polearms effectively.

2) Sure, when it's a 5-7 guy aganist a 7 footer, it doesnt really matter. However, when it comes to gnomes...their physical capability just doesnt stack up. I can freakin kick one to Jupiter if I wanted, while they definitely cannot do that to me.

3) Wrong. Being smaller means people wont target you. Therefore, your potential to tank is greatly reduced since people are IGNORING YOU.

4) Yes, however if that fast swing misses = gg you just fell off a cliff.

1) Care to prove that?

2) See Jalimar's posts. If your going to discuss a fantasy based creature and what you could do to it, then all fantasy rules apply. Quite frankly, if we look at gnomes from the fantasy perspective, I will "own" you. I can easily go for hours at the absolute absurdity in most of World of Warcraft. In a place where people teleport instantly, people can turn themselves into bears and other wild animals, undead with little or no muscle tissue can think, walk, and speak.... some without jawbones, people wield and use MAGIC, and countless creatures with impossible features and more impossible existances, in a world where all of this and more exists you have an issue with gnome warriors being just as effective as tauren warriors? Yes, because everything else makes perfect sense, gnomes being a warrior doesn't. :uhhuh:

3) Eh? Right... you're gonna have to do better than that. But even if that was true, which it isn't, congratulations bud, you just made gnomes the best warriors by making them the only race/class combination that can solo anywhere against anything. Thanks, making this easy for me. :lol:

4) For one, moving faster does not throw you off balance. For two, where the heck did a cliff come from???

[lethialle]

I realize this is a silly topic, but that doesn't mean we can't argue about it. :D

So it continues :) Besides it takes away the time that we will be thinking about playing WoW :)


Sure, so let them be Rogues or Hunters or some other second-tier fighting class. Having a three foot tall front-line tank fighter who is just as tough as a seven-foot Tauren is pretty silly.


I don't think a Tauren could really hold any weapon with their hooves. And there are different types of fighters not just the brawny ones, but I will get to that later.


It would have been nice if they'd created a special caste, like "engineer", for the gnomes. Cause right now they're just extra-short Dwarves.


For some reason I think this will just make people hate gnomes more...


Sorry, but this is dead wrong. Physical size and mass is a HUGE advantage in hand-to-hand combat, not only because of strength but also mass and arm reach. And we're not talking the difference of a few inches here... gnomes are friggin' tiny, much smaller than your average midget, like one-fifth or less of the body weight of the hulky Human male avatar.

Can a child beat you up? No, and neither can a gnome.

Sounds more like Rogue abilities than Warrior ones. However, it is a myth than smaller people are faster than big people... having longer legs makes you faster. Midgets (and children) are much slower than full-sized adults. What they might have an advantage in is quickness, but that's not the same thing.

Have you been beat up by a gang of angry midgets recently? :D I don't know the last time you got in a fistfight (I'm guessing never), but yes, in hand-to-hand combat, bigger IS better. And yes, I could beat a midget, because I'm bigger and heavier and stronger than him. And faster. And have better reach.

While being bigger would be better in many ways. But there are different fighting styles that a fighter could adapt to. So..
1. A skilled light fighter will be faster then a equally skilled heavy and muscluar fighter.
why? Bigger muscle requires more supportive tissues (veins, fat, connective tissues), thus the speed that you will gain by having a bigger muscle is diminished by the weight that you will put on. In TaeKwonDo skilled fighters are usualy skinny, and don't have that much muscle (look at the Olympics) in fact you will be amazed how fast non-muscular looking people can move. If you train hardcore for martial arts like that you will not be muscular, you will be slim since to get speed you need to minimize the amount of mass that is being moved.
Now, I know you are gonna say what about the reach? That makes a difference in TaeKwonDo, boxing etc. Yes, but in wrestling reach is not so important, in fact shorter people have the advantage of lower center of gravity. I have personally met the previous US Olympic wrestling coach by chance, and trust me he is not tall (5'3" at most, around my height)
So again it depends on the fighting style of the fighter.

2. No I cannot beat up a child. I can never bring myself to raise a finger against someone smaller. And yes I have gotten my snot beaten out of me by a kid with a stick, and all I did was standing there. So I don't know what beating a child feels like.

3. Bigger and heavier != stronger. Take a look at the powerlifting scene. The strongest powerlifters are not all muscular, and a lot of them quite short. Why? Because muscle weighs more then fat and when someone reaches certain level of strength, adding more muscle is not beneficial.

Why is it so hard to think that a Gnome can be strong, and that they can fight? And I mean fight in the open not like rogues which hides and backstabs out of no where.

Edit: wow that stopped me from thinking about WoW for a minute... i am so sad...

[BluBoy1982]

I don't think a Tauren could really hold any weapon with their hooves. And there are different types of fighters not just the brawny ones, but I will get to that later.

OK not picking on ya Lethialle, just using your quote as an example :).

When did the Tauren loose their hands and get hoofs? O.o I keep hearing this, but when I go and look at all the pictures them, there they are fingers and hands, no hoofs.

*unless you all are thinking they will fight with their feet heheheheh*

[lethialle]

OK not picking on ya Lethialle, just using your quote as an example :).

When did the Tauren loose their hands and get hoofs? O.o I keep hearing this, but when I go and look at all the pictures them, there they are fingers and hands, no hoofs.

*unless you all are thinking they will fight with their feet heheheheh*

hehe sorry that was a carry over from the post I made about what would happen if we want to be realistic about things in WoW. But yeah Taurens have hands (but cow...err... bulls don't :) )

[WiglyWorm]

Um, Taurens *do* have females. Cows = female. <_<

Anyway, they aren't even bulls/cows. They're MINOTAURS.


Hehe. pwnt.


Force x speed = power

umm.. you mean 1/2 mass x velocity = kenetic energy?
"Force" would be kenetic energy.

Mass, or weight, is a part of force. Not as big as velocity as you can see, but it is a part. Be that as it may, a gnome would make a perfectly capable warrior. Most of your mass is going to come from the weapon itself, and when you focus the force in that blade down to a single point, it's a much more effective weapon (look at the morning star Vs. a mace, for instance, the morning star is much more effective Vs. an armored opponent. Also note that claymores are not sharpened, they don't need to be, they're like 4 feet of solid steel, thus more mass). You might argue that a gnome weilds a lighter weapon, and thus can cause less damage. I have 2 arguments against that.

1) It only takes 4 pounds of pressure to break a knee.
2) Ants can lift 10 times their body weight, humans cannot.


All this aside.. did anyone read my original post on this thread? I was really hoping someone could confirm or deny my postulations.

Ulkieb.. I like the new avatar.

[AcidPope]

My only non gameplay gripe against Gnomes is Blizzard made them way to small. If you look at Gnomes in other fantasy settings, they are usually the same size as a halfling or moderately smaller then a dwarf. Blizzard Gnomes are just freakin tiny. They need to be doubled in size, imo. Not as large as a dwarf, but no where near as tiny as they are at the current size. The only gameplay complaint I have for them is playing them they are so small your vision of your character and the monster it is attacking (melee) will be obstructed easily if you have someone else attacking it (melee) with you. Also in PvP trying to click on these little things is frustrating, because they run around like they are on crack and it's worse with modified speed. Yes, you can hit the nearest enemy target button, but when other enemy faction are close it's not 100% you'll lock onto the Gnome first.

[Cursive]

Yeah, you don't want to mess with ninjas. (http://www.realultimatepower.net/) No way.

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[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

Sure, so let them be Rogues or Hunters or some other second-tier fighting class. Having a three foot tall front-line tank fighter who is just as tough as a seven-foot Tauren is pretty silly.

Why? If you agree, then what's wrong with warrior? As for the second part, you are discussing the silliness of the fantasy part of the game. See my above post, I don't even have to go into that, that much isn't even worth debating.

It would have been nice if they'd created a special caste, like "engineer", for the gnomes. Cause right now they're just extra-short Dwarves.

For the longest time, I prayed for an engineer class, but Blizzard let me down. :hanky:

But gnomes are just shorter dwarves? That's over simplifying the visual and ignoring the personality, history, and cultural differences. That's like me saying Night Elves are humans with long ears and funny skin, trolls are just skinny orcs. Forsaken are just dead humans.

Sorry, but this is dead wrong. Physical size and mass is a HUGE advantage in hand-to-hand combat, not only because of strength but also mass and arm reach. And we're not talking the difference of a few inches here... gnomes are friggin' tiny, much smaller than your average midget, like one-fifth or less of the body weight of the hulky Human male avatar.

It's true that an armed child or midget could do some damage, but they'd have a very difficult time against someone three to five times their size, with two or three times the weapon reach. Now granted, this is a fantasy genre where players are sometimes fighting great giants... but you brought it up.

You're not taking speed into account, see my paragraph below. Though I do like how you bring up the other races fighting great giants... and yet take exception to the difference between a gnome and tauren in your first paragraph. :lol:

However, it is a myth than smaller people are faster than big people... having longer legs makes you faster. Midgets (and children) are much slower than full-sized adults. What they might have an advantage in is quickness, but that's not the same thing.

We aren't talking walking speed, we're talking fighting speed. You have to keep in mind we are not talking average midgets and certainly not children. We are discussing short people brought up in times of constant war. People who have to train for war daily to stay alive. They will be working on their speed to offset their size disadvantage, to do otherwise would be plain stupidity.

Have you been beat up by a gang of angry midgets recently? :D

You'd be suprised what happens to me on drunken nights. :lol:

I don't know the last time you got in a fistfight (I'm guessing never), but yes, in hand-to-hand combat, bigger IS better. And yes, I could beat a midget, because I'm bigger and heavier and stronger than him. And faster. And have better reach.

Now here is where you make your mistake. I've been in more fistfights than I can count. I've trained martial arts since age 10(minor dabbling) and began training in earnest at age 16, I'll be 24 in november... I know what I'm talking about. Size alone means nothing, absolutely nothing(And please, the first person to use any lame comparison like Mike Tyson and an 8 year old will get hit in the head with an idiot stick). If that size is composed of more muscle than fat, it makes a difference. However if you lack proper agility, which is what smaller people always focus on, you CANNOT take tull advantage of the muscle you have. Strength is nothing without speed. You can punch with enough force to knock down a brick wall, but that is meaningless if you opponent can dodge the attack. Look at any fighting or martial arts tournament. Your bigger and heavier brawlers/grapplers rarely make top teir.

If you were fighting a well trained midget, I'm sorry, but you would get stomped. Gnomes are not just some lazy laid back race. There is war all around them. It's not like they would not train for combat.

[Jalimar]

Also in PvP trying to click on these little things is frustrating, because they run around like they are on crack and it's worse with modified speed.

I won't bother trying the PvP server until the Honor system is in, and even then I think I will stick to PvE unless I have an epiphany like Saul on the road to Damascus.
Anyway, after reading your post I know that I only want to play a Gnome in PvP: the thought of some other player cursing because I am to small and fast to click onto is just too damn funny to resist.

[lethialle]

All this aside.. did anyone read my original post on this thread? I was really hoping someone could confirm or deny my postulations.



deny.

I like gnome because they are short and I can relate. I didn't notice anything about the cute-ness... Also I want to play a warlock (orc one actually), but my friends want to play alliance. But the humans are uninspiring and NEs cannot be locks, so another reason to play Gnomes.

The only gripe I have against Gnomes, or Dwarfs is that it is really hard to get a good Screen Shot playing them :( Since, esp for the Gnomes, the camera height is so low for them :(

[Neelaus]

In most places halflings, alfs, hobbits or what you wanna call them, seems to be loved, but gnomes seems to be quite hated in WoW.

Im wondering a bit why?

Is it because their look? Their limited warcraft lore?

what? how? why?

are they to small? do they sound annoying?

why does everyone hate these little fellows?

and how do you see the gnomes? as the ignorant little hobbits like in lord of the rings, or as just does crazy engineer midgets?

do they fit in WoW?

I heard some people complain about them being able to be warriors, because of their size...!

How do you feel on the topic: gnome!?

People subconciously drift towards the races they most embody.

It takes a paticularly intrepid sense of humor to play a Gnome. Case in point, my wonderfully witty self will play a Gnome Warlock.

[Bhs Crew]

Also in PvP trying to click on these little things is frustrating, because they run around like they are on crack and it's worse with modified speed.
Yes, smaller creatures are harder to hit, not even taking into account our blinding speed. It's why we make such good warriors.

[lawnknome]

As a member of an all gnome guild I would say I am biased, but people complain things are unrealistic when a gnome is a warrior. As many have pointed out, the whole point to a fantasy game is to be unrealistic. I dont care that I am 2 feet tall. Im still gonna woop you with my warrior. If you wanna say its not real for that to happen, then how does it make sense for your beloved undead to be warriors. It doesnt and in the great words of johnny cochran (spelling not counted) "That does not make sense"

so any way you look at the game you cant judge on realism, if you do you should probably not play the game as you are probably there for the wrong reasons.

[Booms]

All you Gnome-haters are just jealous of our sexiness.

[Arioch]

Just to continue the disclaimer, this is just a good-natured discussion on a silly subject. I really don't care whether the gnomes can be Warriors or not. ;) Now, on with the arguing! :D

Now, I know you are gonna say what about the reach? That makes a difference in TaeKwonDo, boxing etc. Yes, but in wrestling reach is not so important, in fact shorter people have the advantage of lower center of gravity. I have personally met the previous US Olympic wrestling coach by chance, and trust me he is not tall (5'3" at most, around my height)
So again it depends on the fighting style of the fighter. Good point, but what we're talking about (for the most part) is sword fighting. Reach is definitely an issue.

Bigger and heavier != stronger. Take a look at the powerlifting scene. The strongest powerlifters are not all muscular, and a lot of them quite short. Why? Because muscle weighs more then fat and when someone reaches certain level of strength, adding more muscle is not beneficial. Well yes, but you're talking about the difference between a "big" person of about 6', and a "small" person of about 5'. With gnomes we're really talking about someone the size of a six-year-old child... it just doesn't make sense that a gnome could be as strong as the equivalent 6' human (or 7' Night Elf, or 7'+ Tauren). And again, strength is not the only important quality in a fighter. Just having mass, even without strength, can be an advantage. Even a very strong 60-pound gnome could be easily bowled over by a 250-pound human fighter.

Though I do like how you bring up the other races fighting great giants... and yet take exception to the difference between a gnome and tauren in your first paragraph. Well, we're talking about real fighting abilities of a 3-foot gnome versus the larger character races. If we simply agree that it's a fantasy game and nothing's realistic, then there's nothing to argue about. Where's the fun in that? :D

We aren't talking walking speed, we're talking fighting speed. You have to keep in mind we are not talking average midgets and certainly not children. We are discussing short people brought up in times of constant war. People who have to train for war daily to stay alive. They will be working on their speed to offset their size disadvantage, to do otherwise would be plain stupidity. I understand, but we're talking about people who are much smaller than human midgets. Even the mightiest gnome warrior would be pretty weak compared to even an average human warrior. That's just physics... even if a three foot gnome was every bit as strong as the six foot human warrior (which is unlikely), the six-foot human could run circles around him, and easily knock him off his feet. We're talking about a difference in mass of about a factor of five.

Now here is where you make your mistake. I've been in more fistfights than I can count. I've trained martial arts since age 10(minor dabbling) and began training in earnest at age 16, I'll be 24 in november... I know what I'm talking about. Size alone means nothing, absolutely nothing(And please, the first person to use any lame comparison like Mike Tyson and an 8 year old will get hit in the head with an idiot stick). If that size is composed of more muscle than fat, it makes a difference. However if you lack proper agility, which is what smaller people always focus on, you CANNOT take tull advantage of the muscle you have. Strength is nothing without speed. You can punch with enough force to knock down a brick wall, but that is meaningless if you opponent can dodge the attack. Look at any fighting or martial arts tournament. Your bigger and heavier brawlers/grapplers rarely make top teir. What it seems like you're saying is that size is not the end-all, be-all of combat, and that a better-trained, smaller fighter can beat a larger, less-competent fighter. This is certainly true! However, to say that "size means nothing" is simply not accurate. Size is an advantage, as is strength, speed, skill, toughness and a variety of other factors. If size was not an advantage at all, there wouldn't be weight divisions in boxing, and you'd see midgets playing pro football. You don't. I'm saying that having gnomes as full Warriors is silly because if you have a human and gnome warrior of the same level (the same training, same skill), then having the gnome be on an equal footing with the human is just silly. Remember we're not talking about a difference of 50% in wieght or height... we're talking about a three-foot gnome, weighing maybe 60 pounds, against a six-foot human weighing 250 pounds or more (or a 7' Night Elf weighing even more... or a massive Tauren weighing the better part of half a ton). The Warrior relies on strength and ability to absorb damage for his abilities... to expect a three-foot gnome to go toe-to-toe with a Tauren based solely on strength and grit doesn't really seem right. Sure, the gnome might be quicker. Sure, he might rely on less brute-force abilities. But these would be the domain of the Hunter or Rogue classes, not the Warrior.

[Bhs Crew]

What about undead fighters. They are missing many muscles needed to properly fight. Why should they have warriors?

[Dravym]

Just to get disgustingly realistic for a moment here...

Most types of armor are quite sparse around the inner thigh area to prevent chafing and to not impede movement. There are a pair of very major arteries that go along the inside of each thigh, the femoral arteries. Severing one of these can cause massive bloodloss in an amazingly short period of time. Most of the time this doesn't matter because from an opponent's perspective its fery hard to reach those spots under the skirting of armor. But, guess what's at about eye level for a gnome...

Plus, as size increases linearly mass tends to increase geometrically (roughly). This affects muscle efficiency as well and is part of why ants can carry so much more relative to their size than we can. Plus, muscle efficiency can be geared for strength in smaller creatures. Chimpanzees can easily break your arm similar to how you might snap a carrot, they are MUCH stronger than humans are, despite our size advantage. Humans are quite weak for our size, even the strongest of us. So much of the muscle of the Tauren may simply be to move around, whereas much of the gnome's musculature can be applied directly to a hit. While its true the Tauren's great mass can give it a fair amount of leverage, being close to the ground and using leg strength in a strike can give the gnome a lot of leverage as well. And yes, reaction speeds suffer in larger creatures, largely due to longer neural pathways. In brontosaurus for example, the reaction speed was so pathetically long they had to develop a second brain (more of a ganglion actually) near their posterior to process signals from farther out extremities. Cows aren't exactly known for being swift, agile, or light on their toes.

I suppose if racial differences mattered to class mechanics you could set the base damage of a gnome's strikes to be much less, but they would crit a lot more due to armor not being designed to protect against opponents that can walk between your legs without stooping. All in all it might balance out decently.

But if we were going to that extreme, I'd rule that a gnome's rage bar is permanently maxed due to generations of gnome jokes, with only cooldowns preventing them from mortal striking you into goo.

[xXxDraGoNxXx1123]

I'm just having fun here too, don't take my smart-assed-ness-esses for serious mouth frothing. :lol:

True, but from a gameplay perspective, Night Elves are just humans with longer ears and funny skin, and Forsaken are just dead humans.

Ok then, in that respect all the races, except maybe the tauren, are equally worthless. Your point is now null and void, I hereby award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

Well, we're talking about real fighting abilities of a 3-foot gnome versus the larger character races. If we simply agree that it's a fantasy game and nothing's realistic, then there's nothing to argue about. Where's the fun in that? :D

Granted, but if I rely solely on real life examples, based on my very limited experience actively fighting midgets, I could not win this arguement. Where's the fun in that? :lol:

I understand, but we're talking about people who are much smaller than human midgets. Even the mightiest gnome warrior would be pretty weak compared to even an average human warrior. That's just physics... even if a three foot gnome was every bit as strong as the six foot human warrior (which is unlikely), the six-foot human could run circles around him, and easily knock him off his feet. We're talking about a difference in mass of about a factor of five.

You are forgetting the most powerful move in a gnomes arsenal... going for the balls. There is no greater equalizer and gnomes are at the perfect height to inflict the most painful of blows(sorry, bad pun). Ever had a gnome repeatedly dribbling your jewels like punching bags? I thought not. Shorties are TeH PwN and tall people are TeH NoObleTz.

What it seems like you're saying is that size is not the end-all, be-all of combat, and that a better-trained, smaller fighter can beat a larger, less-competent fighter. This is certainly true! However, to say that "size means nothing" is simply not accurate. Size is an advantage, as is strength, speed, skill, toughness and a variety of other factors. If size was not an advantage at all, there wouldn't be weight divisions in boxing, and you'd see midgets playing pro football. You don't. I'm saying that having gnomes as full Warriors is silly because if you have a human and gnome warrior of the same level (the same training, same skill), then having the gnome be on an equal footing with the human is just silly. Remember we're not talking about a difference of 50% in wieght or height... we're talking about a three-foot gnome, weighing maybe 60 pounds, against a six-foot human weighing 250 pounds or more (or a 7' Night Elf weighing even more... or a massive Tauren weighing the better part of half a ton). The Warrior relies on strength and ability to absorb damage for his abilities... to expect a three-foot gnome to go toe-to-toe with a Tauren based solely on strength and grit doesn't really seem right. Sure, the gnome might be quicker. Sure, he might rely on less brute-force abilities. But these would be the domain of the Hunter or Rogue classes, not the Warrior.

Would you deny then, since we are applying real world physics, that a gnome size would not then be a great advantage. We would use everything at our disposal to win. There is no fighter without their "wheels", the first place we'd strike at our height would be the legs. Chucky did it, we would too. Without legs, anyone is useless. There can be no defeating a gnome. Strength comparison aside, with real world physics involved, we would not NEED to be as strong as our enemy, only strong enough to hurt someone, which based on screenshots, we are plenty strong in that area. A small knife cutting your leg open is a large gaping cut on your leg. Ever just bump a table without your ankle while walking? Hurts like hell doesn't it? That is without the table itself applying ANY force at all. Think what a gnome determined to bite your ankles and steal your underwear would do. :thumbsup:

[Arioch]

You are forgetting the most powerful move in a gnomes arsenal... going for the balls. There is no greater equalizer and gnomes are at the perfect height to inflict the most painful of blows(sorry, bad pun). Two words: codpiece. Oh wait, that's one word. :D

Would you deny then, since we are applying real world physics, that a gnome size would not then be a great advantage. We would use everything at our disposal to win. There is no fighter without their "wheels", the first place we'd strike at our height would be the legs. Chucky did it, we would too. Without legs, anyone is useless. There can be no defeating a gnome. Strength comparison aside, with real world physics involved, we would not NEED to be as strong as our enemy, only strong enough to hurt someone, which based on screenshots, we are plenty strong in that area. A small knife cutting your leg open is a large gaping cut on your leg. Ever just bump a table without your ankle while walking? Hurts like hell doesn't it? That is without the table itself applying ANY force at all. Think what a gnome determined to bite your ankles and steal your underwear would do. The Big'uns have armor on their legs as well as their giblets, so I'm not sure smallness would be an advantage from that point of view.

Ack! Losing credibility points for the Chucky reference!! :D

Nono!! Not the underwear!!!!

[WiglyWorm]

Listen.. the real life extremely short folk prefer the term "little people" not "midget"

[Dravym]

The Big'uns have armor on their legs as well as their giblets, so I'm not sure smallness would be an advantage from that point of view.

As I mentioned above, the inner thighs are generally not well armored at all to avoid chafing and hindered movement. The femoral arteries there are VERY major and severing them leads to massive blood loss.

Plus, chimps are smaller than humans but FAR stronger, due to greater muscle efficiency. They could just grab your arm with two hands and snap it like a carrot. Good thing they're generally nice...

[FatFisherman]

The Garden Gnomes will make this happen.

THe funniest things about gnomes are their voices, and also the fact that they're always "shaking", even when standing still lol :p. It's almost unnerving really. The funniest thing would be to see an all-gnome raid of over 40 people or so. Makes me think of the mummy returns, with all those scarab beetles swarming etc..

I think a few people in here need their underpants stolen. Anyone want to tagteam with me? :creep:

This link definately deserves mention, and I'm quite surprised that it has not been posted yet.

http://www.freewebs.com/thegardengnomes/gnomewarriors.htm

I don't think the visials are working, but it shows how much easier a Tauren warrior is to target then a Gnome one.

The more I hear about how Gnome warriors don't make sense, the more it makes me want to play one. Needless to say the warrior class is starting to become my first choise over my original plans of a Warlock.

There's only one thing left to do here:

GNOME!! *Steals Arioch's underwear and runs away giggling* :lol:

[AcidPope]

You'll have to keep in mind also that animals, for instance chimps, lead a much more rigorous lifestyle. The percentage of time they are working their muscle in comparison to humans is much more, and more intensive to boot. For instance they climb trees, swing from branches and even when walking on the ground use their arms as a large portion of their primary mode of movement. The same can be said for things like apes, though they are noticeably larger than a chimp their power doesn't deminish because the types of muscle use is very similar. Humans really don't stress their bodies like animals do. In most cases an animal does more rigorous activity in a day then some humans do in weeks of activity or work. You'll note before the modern world, humans on average were much more powerful then present day. Even going back as little as 100 years, miners/smiths/etc had arms with muscle that makes the muscle of the common man today look like jello. The strength while notablely different from size to size has just as much to do with activity as it does size. Take horses for instance. The normal horse is strong, we'll all agree. However the large types, such as the clydesdale, is noticably stronger then it's small cousin. The bigger in this case outpowers the smaller. Example:

Human arms: Can be strong. In most cases though not nearly as strong as the human leg. Their arms just don't do as much. The human leg has more then enough power to snap an arm like a carrot. The activity in the dominate limb is the deciding factor.

Monkey leg: Can be strong. In most cases though not nearly as strong as the monkey arm. Their legs just don't do as much. The monkey arm has more then enough power to snap an arm like a carrot. The activity in the dominate limb is the deciding factor.

If the monkey was as lazy, or active as little as a human their strength would degrade similarly. When something wishes to become more powerful, it exercises it's muscles. It doesn't grow or shrink itself to gain strength.

Conclusion? Don't get kicked by a human and don't arm wrestle a monkey.

[Zann the Defender]

Wow, gnomes are too small they should be stepped on; gnome warriors doesn't make sense...

If you guys want to bring realism into the mix...

Okay I suppose it make more sense to have:

UD warrior, because I am sure w/o much connective tissue and all their muscle cells dead and decaying that they will be able to wear any armor and any weapon with no problem. :scratch:

Orc warlock, or Troll mages: They make perfect sense even though they can't really chant the incantations cohesively. Or hold on to a thought for longer then 15 sec before starting thinking about food :innocent:

Tauren anything: I am sure that they can hold weapons perfectly with their hooves... :scratch:

Come on guys stop the hate with Gnomes, it is tough enough to be the short guys/gals in a big world already :)


I am sorry, I must go back to this post, old as it is, and prove it wrong...

UD Warrior: Magicaly held together, but just enough to have the strength of a human/orc.

Orc warlock, or Troll mages: Can actually think, you are reffering to the other shows (Like LOTR) Where orcs are mindless killing machines. In WoW they are not mindless, but are smart. Trolls are not always considered hungry, another story stereo type, and they practice Voodoo (or however you spell it) for thousands of years, if they can't think of being mages, that would have been gone long ago...

Tauren: Minotaurs, they have humanlike hands. A minotaur is a Half Human, half bull. They have hands and can carry weapons, and are not just complete cows/bulls (Some people just call them Cows or bulls for bun, or they cannot remember the racial name)

Gnomes were important, they contributed toi the game (Lore wise, atleast) a kit. Gryocopters were their inventions after all.

[Dalamar The Dark]

Listen.. the real life extremely short folk prefer the term "little people" not "midget"

the gnomes arent real people. so they're midgets.. plus it sounds more insulting :lol:

[Pub-O]

Hmm... Allot of good thoughts in this thread!

I heard some people wanting to be Gnomes because they thought they looked silly, and aparantly thought the Warcraft was a joke with little cute "little people" in all their bright colors and friendly voices.

I asked them if they could just play horde an just ignore the gnomes, but they felt that the experience for a cool epic universe was spoiled just by looking at them or knowing that they are in the world.

Of course this is a game, but do you guys things its justified to hate them for this reason?

It makes me wonder actually if WoW is a serious game? Warcraft 3 had plently of cool serious story moments in its cut scenes! Maybe it is fair for people to be affraid for the lore to become a joke with this?


Is WoW monty phyton: and the holy grail that just makes fun of fantasy and makes you laugh every second, or is it more lord of the rings with horrific vilians and herroric heros in all their epic glory?

?

[Dalamar The Dark]

Pub-O i'd say its kind of a mix.. the story in it is pretty serious all through, however if you press long enough on a unit they say so many funny things.. one of my favorites will allways be dragonhawk..

"Baah"
"Whats a mountain goat doing up here?"
and then he hits mountain :lol:

oh god i love it.. *wipes eyes of tears* :thumbsup:

[Flame of the moonlight]

Hehe my faviorite will allways be the grunt.

Why are you thouching me again?
Poke, Poke, Poke, is that all you do?
Why dont you lead an army instead of touching me?
Ohh, that was kinda nice. :lol:

I also like the demonhunter.

Darkness called.but i was on the phone so i missed him. i tryed to call him back but he did not pick up the phone. i yelled *pick up the phone darkness pick up the phone*, but he ognored me.

[Pogo]

Gnomes get hated on alot because of the fact that they always end up being the superior playable race.

The difference between .44 and .223 firearms is a good example. The .44 is large, and good for close quarters, and will stop almost anything on 2 or 4 feet (like Trolls for example). However in order to gain open field advantage and penetration capability you need an extremely high velocity round that is accurate at range like the .223 (Gnomes)

So you see, its not a better or worse comparison, because Gnomes are better. Cheers!

[Squarebob Spongepants]

The .223 is a rifle caliber, is it not? So what makes you think that your comparison is in any way adequate? If you're going to do an ammunition analogy, atleast use rifle ammunition OR pistol ammunition :uhhuh:

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The game is ready for lunch.

[Chaosas]

Gnomes wouldn't be able to swing harder. And definetly NOT faster because weapons are just too big for them. In fact, bigger guys would be swinging them faster.
And about ants being able to lift weights 10 times heavier then them... Their entire "muscular" system is completely different from humanoid. Are gnomes insectoids??

[Pub-O]

ahh man.... I just found my old Warcraft box from 95!

hehe... you know back when PC games was sold in large boxes instead of dvd cases?

I have some sort of warcraft 2 game that includes beyond the dark portal!

It has a large manual with lots of cool info and even a map of azeroth! Im actually surprised how much this information resembles the current one! I think Blizzard has allot of respect for their lair!

heh.. and gnome info is included too! there is a crazy picture of a gnome in some flying vehicle! its an unit and it says;

"Gnome Flying Machine
The gnomes Khaz Modan have long offset their lack of physical strength with ingenuity and daring. As a member of the Alliance, they have continued ti display their telents by inventing and piloting the unbelievable flying machine. Although having no armaments, these awkward contraptions can be used to survey vast areas of terrain, and detecting underwater units(as all flying units can), making them invaluable for discovering the movements of the horde."

Heh... Sure does not sound like they are suposed to be warriors, but what do I know!

It still seems history wise correct even though there has almost passed since years sinse then!

I wish I had a scanner so I could show you some of the art pictures... There isa neat picture of Lothar holding a baby and a child by Samwise - 95! Heh... very neat! metzen also got some!

but this reminds me of something...

Is Azeroth both a country and the world?

It says here that Terenas is king of lordaeron in WC2, but lord auduin lothar is of Azeroth!

Does this mean that Lother is king over the world or a country called azeroth?

Because the hole world is called Azeroth right?

But terenas is the biggest king of all?

Makes me confused!:p

Is there any place where there are extensive amount of lore info, from including the novels? like a libary of info?:P would be neat to read.. the beta sites story is not enouge:D

too... big.. geek... must... have... more... info.. mus..t.... feed..... info...:D

[Pogo]

Nope but they aren't human either. Gnome melee types have what in engineering is called mechanical advantage. You can use a small gear and spindle to drive a huge wheel like in a dragster, so you have to turn the transaxle less times to gain the same ground.

Thus a smaller arm has to move for less time to make a sword tip travel the same distance in proportion to say, a human.

:thanks:

[OneMadOgre]

http://legends.worldofwar.net

[Arioch]

"The gnomes Khaz Modan have long offset their lack of physical strength with ingenuity and daring." HAH!!! The prosecution rests.

[Dalamar The Dark]

http://legends.worldofwar.net

Um....yes?

[MegaLing]

1) Care to prove that?

2) See Jalimar's posts. If your going to discuss a fantasy based creature and what you could do to it, then all fantasy rules apply. Quite frankly, if we look at gnomes from the fantasy perspective, I will "own" you. I can easily go for hours at the absolute absurdity in most of World of Warcraft. In a place where people teleport instantly, people can turn themselves into bears and other wild animals, undead with little or no muscle tissue can think, walk, and speak.... some without jawbones, people wield and use MAGIC, and countless creatures with impossible features and more impossible existances, in a world where all of this and more exists you have an issue with gnome warriors being just as effective as tauren warriors? Yes, because everything else makes perfect sense, gnomes being a warrior doesn't. :uhhuh:

3) Eh? Right... you're gonna have to do better than that. But even if that was true, which it isn't, congratulations bud, you just made gnomes the best warriors by making them the only race/class combination that can solo anywhere against anything. Thanks, making this easy for me. :lol:

4) For one, moving faster does not throw you off balance. For two, where the heck did a cliff come from???


1) Simple, the stick is too long. The Gnome can't hold it properly but instead has to hold the end of the stick, therefore makes it even heavier to the holder.

2) What?

3) What the hell? I'd like to insult you but that's ok.

4) For a gnome, sure. Oh wait, so you have to take what I say literally? It doesn't have to be a cliff, just losing balance.

[Semidi]

I just don't like little people, I think they are scary... Is there something wrong with me?

[Bhs Crew]

I just don't like little people, I think they are scary... Is there something wrong with me?
Yes.
Yes there is.

[Bhs Crew]

HAH!!! The prosecution rests.
There are lots of points being given as to why Gnomes can't be effective warriors. Now you can say what you want but the truth is Gnomes are warriors and are able to compete. You just haven't figured out what allows us to yet.

The question you should be asking yourself, is why do gnomes make such good warriors?

For the longest time the ideas of Bees flying was something no one could understand. According to physics at the time they shouldn't have been able to (I assume they've figured it out by now). However, just because they couldn't figure it out didn't stop the bees from flying.

Just because many of you haven't yet grasped why gnomes make such good warriors, doesn't prevent us from owning you in combat.

[FrozenYak]

i dont think anyone thinks gnomes cant be warriors, i think lots of people just disagree with how Blizzard makes them warriors. Unlike the dwarves they arent shown with a load of muscle, so they really dont look all that strong, but it seems that because of their speed they can compete like that.

Then like the other guy said, that would fit more into a rogue category than actual warrior. I dont think anyones saying they shouldnt be warriors, they just shouldnt be tanks.

[Dalamar The Dark]

Gnomes shouldent be warriors at all!!
Sorry, couldent resist FrozenYak :(

[Arioch]

There are lots of points being given as to why Gnomes can't be effective warriors. Now you can say what you want but the truth is Gnomes are warriors and are able to compete. You just haven't figured out what allows us to yet.

The question you should be asking yourself, is why do gnomes make such good warriors?

For the longest time the ideas of Bees flying was something no one could understand. According to physics at the time they shouldn't have been able to (I assume they've figured it out by now). However, just because they couldn't figure it out didn't stop the bees from flying.

Just because many of you haven't yet grasped why gnomes make such good warriors, doesn't prevent us from owning you in combat. Bah... that's spurious argument. We all know the real reason that gnome warriors are the same as the warriors of larger races, and that's because this is a multiplayer game, and it's not fair to handicap warriors of a certain race just for continuity reasons. Which is why they shouldn' have allowed gnome warriors at all, but rather given gnomes access to an unusual class instead (like Druid for NE/Tauren, Paladin for Human/Dwarf) to give people a reason to play them. I mean... humans aren't allowed to be Hunters, and I can certainly imagine a human Hunter before I can imagine a gnome Warrior.

[Bhs Crew]

Bah... that's spurious argument. We all know the real reason that gnome warriors are the same as the warriors of larger races, and that's because this is a multiplayer game, and it's not fair to handicap warriors of a certain race just for continuity reasons. Which is why they shouldn' have allowed gnome warriors at all, but rather given gnomes access to an unusual class instead (like Druid for NE/Tauren, Paladin for Human/Dwarf) to give people a reason to play them. I mean... humans aren't allowed to be Hunters, and I can certainly imagine a human Hunter before I can imagine a gnome Warrior.
Yes it was. You get points for using the word spurious though.

The real reason gnomes are good warriors is that we are (obviously) extraordinarily strong for our size and most enemies are not used to (or properly armored for) fighting small combatants.