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Old 09-09-2006, 01:09 AM   #1
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Dual Core Processors

I am thinking of buying a new pc but am confused by the new dual core processors that are on the market.

I can only seem to find dual core processors which run at about 2-2.6 ghz where my old cpu runs at 2.1 ghz and many new games recommend around 3ghz.... I was looking for a better upgrade than this....

Is there something i am missing (like if its a dual core you double up the speed or something?!?) Can anyone explain this to me....

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Old 09-09-2006, 06:28 AM   #2
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not all ghz are equal. the 2 Ghz Core Duo processors are much much much faster than the old 3 Ghz P4. 2 Ghz A64 are also much faster than the old 3 Ghz P4.
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:03 PM   #3
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thanks for that kcma....

is there anyway you can covert one to the other
ie a 2ghz dual core is 4 ghz old money
or is it not that simple?
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Old 09-09-2006, 06:43 PM   #4
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it's not, because from every generation there are difference. ie. Northwood P4 vs Prescott P4, and there are other factors like Bus speed, RAM, cache size, and socket platform/chipset.

but a good rough rule of though would be:

1.8ghz Core Duo 2 to
2ghz A64 x2
P4 3.2Ghz+

there are things P4 does very well, but the things P4 is bad at they're HORRIBLE... in anycase, there is absolutely NO reason to ever consider a P4 anymore. it was always a horrible platform to begin with since the introduction or Williamette with RDRAM all the way up to the newest P4EE.

and either a A64 or Core2duo @ 2ghz is more than plenty for all gaming need, unless you're running SLI in which case you don't care about money and you'd obviously buy the most $$$$ processor to go with it.
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Old 09-09-2006, 09:23 PM   #5
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thanks for that kcma....

is there anyway you can covert one to the other
ie a 2ghz dual core is 4 ghz old money
or is it not that simple?
It's not, the cores are set up in parellel, one core can only process a single thread of data (one program typically). The reason why Dual Cores are better is one core is dedicated only to the game you're currently running, and the other one can do something else. Even if it's not fileshareing, or playing music or such, there are always background programs going, like the Operating System itself. Traditional, single core processor, everything is jammed into one stream and the game+operating system are programmed together, creating much more work per core and thus needing a faster single core to do the same amount of work as a dual core. So if the Duel core is slower, unless it's radically slower than a single core, it'll appear to be faster because the individual program isn't getting bogged down by the other junk that typically runs with I.E. The Windows OS itself, Firewalls, Virusscanners.

In a way it's an illusion or trick but it's far more effient. The only possible way dualism is a weakeness is when you're only running a single stream of data, one program. But as previously said, even Windows is a program, and unless you like staring at the desktop all day, you're always running at least two high processor consuming programs, thus able to use both cores.

The reason why dual cores are slower is because we have the same sized chips being made, but two cores jammed in instead of one. Heat becomes an issue in such confined spaces. And all the space possible is being used, usually this means have to cut down on the transistors used for one core to fit everything on to one chip. So we end upwith two slightly stripped down cores rather than one highly developed core. Two usually outdoes one in examples given. But it varies down to different design ideas and different types of processing. To view examples and gain more technical expertise, I would suggest you read www.tomshardware.com to great detail.
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Old 10-09-2006, 02:53 AM   #6
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not entirely true. most of the productivity software are multi-threaded now. so even a single piece of software runs better on dual core processor regardless of multi-tasking or not.

and once games become multi-threaded. single core can never keep up. multi-core is the way of the future.

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and toms's writing is so... forced down your throat sometimes i gag when i read them...
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Old 10-09-2006, 01:59 PM   #7
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not entirely true. most of the productivity software are multi-threaded now. so even a single piece of software runs better on dual core processor regardless of multi-tasking or not.

and once games become multi-threaded. single core can never keep up. multi-core is the way of the future.

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and toms's writing is so... forced down your throat sometimes i gag when i read them...
As the majority of tasks ran in a home PC are singlethreaded, I thought I'd keep things simple and relative to what the user would be doing with the processor tasking. Multi-core would be much faster if programmers got off their butts are moved both to 64 bit programming and Dual cores, but both have been out as high end consumer solutions from both Intel and AMD for almost three years, even longer with 64 bit. Warcraft 3 was so badly programmed it has problems even running under a dual environment, it just can't understand what's going on. I think it'll be past 2008 before we see a majority of releases actually taking full advantage of the technologies we have today. So I went with the singular examples as this is the most common utilisation of the set up. It'll be worse when quad-core hits the market later this year, and octo in 2007.
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Old 10-09-2006, 04:21 PM   #8
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well, speed is less relevant today than utility. any 2Ghz Core2duo/a64 processor will be fine for majority of the ppl.

i can never go back to single core tho... being able to instanteously jump out and IM and post on WWN and change music, and do 50 things on top of WOW while playing WOW is priceless (unfortunately i sacrificed dual core CPU for a single core Pentium M in order to have a Nvidia 7800GTX video card on my laptop... CPU swap is in order now :D).
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Old 12-09-2006, 04:38 AM   #9
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please note that core2duo is a good $1200 AUD or $500-700 USD
you'll need to be freaking rihc before you can afford that
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Old 12-09-2006, 07:56 AM   #10
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no it's not, e6400 is only about $300 retail. which is the same for A64 of the similar speed.

not to mention pretty much ALL core2duo overclocks to similar limit around 3.2+ghz. there is no reason to buy anything else atm.
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